1 00:00:23,500 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:30,679 --> 00:00:25,880 yes it's the skeptics are an episode 3 00:00:33,170 --> 00:00:30,689 number 177 for the tenth of March 2012 4 00:00:37,069 --> 00:00:33,180 Richard Saunders here with you coming to 5 00:00:40,069 --> 00:00:37,079 you from Manchester in England where QED 6 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:40,079 question explore discover is just about 7 00:00:43,670 --> 00:00:41,610 to kick off in fact it sort of has 8 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:43,680 kicked off already and I'm lucky enough 9 00:00:48,170 --> 00:00:46,410 I've found a little private area away 10 00:00:50,389 --> 00:00:48,180 from the bar where there's hundreds of 11 00:00:53,209 --> 00:00:50,399 skeptics milling around and I've grabbed 12 00:00:54,619 --> 00:00:53,219 a couple of Irish skeptics I'm going to 13 00:00:56,060 --> 00:00:54,629 kick off the shows a little bit unusual 14 00:00:59,029 --> 00:00:56,070 this week I'm going to kick off the show 15 00:01:01,279 --> 00:00:59,039 straight away with an interview with two 16 00:01:03,590 --> 00:01:01,289 of my new best friends and I'll get you 17 00:01:06,260 --> 00:01:03,600 to introduce yourself hello hi I'm Finn 18 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:06,270 I'm an IRA skeptic I co-host of the 19 00:01:12,289 --> 00:01:07,860 skipper cones which is the Irish 20 00:01:15,469 --> 00:01:12,299 skeptical podcast and I'm Steve or six 6 21 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:15,479 steve and i was lucky enough to be one 22 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:16,890 of the people involved in the birth of 23 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:19,710 irish modern skepticism as in dublin 24 00:01:24,050 --> 00:01:22,560 skeptics in the pub this is exactly the 25 00:01:27,740 --> 00:01:24,060 sort of people I was hoping to meet in 26 00:01:29,569 --> 00:01:27,750 in my travels and I'll be hopefully 27 00:01:32,330 --> 00:01:29,579 meetings other people from around the 28 00:01:33,770 --> 00:01:32,340 British Isles and knows where to talk 29 00:01:35,420 --> 00:01:33,780 about this sort of thing but I really 30 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:35,430 love and as my listeners know the 31 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:37,290 concept of skeptics in the pub and 32 00:01:42,940 --> 00:01:39,570 social skeptics getting together to have 33 00:01:45,350 --> 00:01:42,950 a drink have a dinner and not even 34 00:01:47,420 --> 00:01:45,360 necessarily talking about skeptical 35 00:01:50,450 --> 00:01:47,430 matters but if you want to talk about 36 00:01:52,580 --> 00:01:50,460 skeptical matters that's exactly the 37 00:01:54,350 --> 00:01:52,590 place to go to well that's a really 38 00:01:55,730 --> 00:01:54,360 important point for us because most of 39 00:01:58,730 --> 00:01:55,740 the other skeptics in the pub that you 40 00:02:00,649 --> 00:01:58,740 find will do once a month shush a beige 41 00:02:03,230 --> 00:02:00,659 and they'll have somebody in to talk an 42 00:02:05,149 --> 00:02:03,240 expert to give a bit of chat what we set 43 00:02:07,639 --> 00:02:05,159 up Dublin skeptics in the pub was just a 44 00:02:09,469 --> 00:02:07,649 social gathering I think we were running 45 00:02:12,110 --> 00:02:09,479 nearly a year was it before we had our 46 00:02:13,699 --> 00:02:12,120 first speaker and 47 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:13,709 it was mainly just to have like-minded 48 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:16,530 people to share ideas and be able to 49 00:02:21,229 --> 00:02:18,930 speak freely and Ireland being a tiny 50 00:02:23,210 --> 00:02:21,239 nation of only six million people to 51 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:23,220 find rational people is quite a bit of a 52 00:02:28,550 --> 00:02:26,370 dig it was nice to have folks that you 53 00:02:31,819 --> 00:02:28,560 could just sit down have a drink and a 54 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:31,829 chat with you oh I agree absolutely and 55 00:02:37,100 --> 00:02:35,040 again it's getting back to the to a lot 56 00:02:38,899 --> 00:02:37,110 of people come along in Sydney you know 57 00:02:41,479 --> 00:02:38,909 I speak from personal experience so 58 00:02:43,490 --> 00:02:41,489 what's this all about I wasn't that look 59 00:02:45,770 --> 00:02:43,500 they're nervous you know all these 60 00:02:48,259 --> 00:02:45,780 skeptics but after a couple of drinks 61 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:48,269 and the dinner and a fun chat they come 62 00:02:52,970 --> 00:02:50,970 back I find yes no I think that's the 63 00:02:54,559 --> 00:02:52,980 thing in in Dublin we have an inner 64 00:02:56,899 --> 00:02:54,569 lovely little pub called the Lord Edward 65 00:03:02,330 --> 00:02:56,909 which is a proper old man's pub and I'm 66 00:03:04,849 --> 00:03:02,340 probably oh man it's 4pm yeah yeah it's 67 00:03:07,009 --> 00:03:04,859 just it's like this the deck or hasn't 68 00:03:08,630 --> 00:03:07,019 been changed since the 70s the seats are 69 00:03:10,699 --> 00:03:08,640 all kind of comfy but kind of award 70 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:10,709 seventies yeah actually I think with the 71 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:12,870 Lord Edward yes the 1870s there's an old 72 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:14,970 bar man and if you come in he knows you 73 00:03:19,580 --> 00:03:17,609 like he knows he'll come you know soon 74 00:03:22,099 --> 00:03:19,590 as you walk in the door your pint is on 75 00:03:24,170 --> 00:03:22,109 the pole oh I like that yeah and there's 76 00:03:26,150 --> 00:03:24,180 a fire and they do proper old-fashioned 77 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:26,160 foodie you know you get asked you if you 78 00:03:29,420 --> 00:03:27,690 want you know like it's really good and 79 00:03:33,470 --> 00:03:29,430 then they ask you a really bad lasagna I 80 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:33,480 love the place of terrible oh but I want 81 00:03:37,129 --> 00:03:35,370 to go it sounds great breathe and the 82 00:03:39,199 --> 00:03:37,139 bread and butter pudding is divine but 83 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:39,209 I'm so that and it started off I think 84 00:03:43,580 --> 00:03:41,250 we took over maybe to two or three small 85 00:03:45,289 --> 00:03:43,590 tables and then the last one we were out 86 00:03:47,659 --> 00:03:45,299 in in there though I think we takin over 87 00:03:48,710 --> 00:03:47,669 pretty much the entire room so you kind 88 00:03:50,210 --> 00:03:48,720 of have to get in there we getting there 89 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:50,220 around six o'clock in the evening and 90 00:03:54,979 --> 00:03:52,410 nobody's in there so before we can 91 00:03:56,599 --> 00:03:54,989 spread around Isis yeah it's gross oh 92 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:56,609 it's good and we all drink so they don't 93 00:04:00,949 --> 00:03:58,410 the pub don't mind is taking over 94 00:04:02,930 --> 00:04:00,959 because you know we spend the money so 95 00:04:04,789 --> 00:04:02,940 they're they're my only bad feeling 96 00:04:06,650 --> 00:04:04,799 about that the reason we chose the Lord 97 00:04:09,259 --> 00:04:06,660 Edward was because back in the 80s and 98 00:04:10,849 --> 00:04:09,269 90s when there was an Irish science 99 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:10,859 fiction Association they used to meet 100 00:04:15,140 --> 00:04:12,930 there and it was just a cozy poked a bit 101 00:04:17,810 --> 00:04:15,150 right but it's got a very narrow 102 00:04:20,209 --> 00:04:17,820 stairwell so my only bad feeling about 103 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:20,219 it is it's not quite as accessible for 104 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:22,289 wheelchair users not sorry if we get 105 00:04:25,250 --> 00:04:24,570 people along with mobility needs like 106 00:04:26,780 --> 00:04:25,260 that 107 00:04:27,950 --> 00:04:26,790 it is a little bit embarrassing for them 108 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:27,960 because we have to carry them up the 109 00:04:33,380 --> 00:04:31,170 stairs but apart from that it's right 110 00:04:34,910 --> 00:04:33,390 opposite christchurch cathedral one of 111 00:04:38,780 --> 00:04:34,920 the most beautiful buildings in Dublin 112 00:04:41,540 --> 00:04:38,790 and you look at it through lead paned 113 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:41,550 windows and this just gives you an 114 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:45,210 ambiance of were comfy yeah all together 115 00:04:50,420 --> 00:04:48,840 very comfortable place it is a very it's 116 00:04:52,010 --> 00:04:50,430 very end yes it's one of those cases 117 00:04:54,020 --> 00:04:52,020 where skeptics in the pub really does 118 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:54,030 depend on the pub that you're in you 119 00:04:58,640 --> 00:04:55,770 couldn't get the same ambience being in 120 00:05:01,670 --> 00:04:58,650 a different book that's this well I'm 121 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:01,680 carried away as you as you talk about it 122 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:04,170 I can sort of visualize it and you'll 123 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:05,850 drink guinness or is that just an i 124 00:05:09,830 --> 00:05:07,530 don't drink it no you don't oh dear oh 125 00:05:11,630 --> 00:05:09,840 dear no no Guinness is too heavy it's a 126 00:05:14,090 --> 00:05:11,640 very heavy drink and I don't drink a 127 00:05:16,790 --> 00:05:14,100 huge amount anyway but I wine is my my 128 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:16,800 poison but they're very good they look 129 00:05:21,530 --> 00:05:19,370 after as well but the other thing is I'm 130 00:05:23,270 --> 00:05:21,540 this probably won't mean much to most 131 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:23,280 your listeners except for the Irish food 132 00:05:28,460 --> 00:05:26,490 English ones and but you can't smoke in 133 00:05:31,010 --> 00:05:28,470 pubs in early nowadays you can't smoke 134 00:05:32,990 --> 00:05:31,020 in pubs in Australia right yeah but what 135 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:33,000 we do have is directly across the road 136 00:05:38,330 --> 00:05:35,970 from the pub there's an art gallery with 137 00:05:41,810 --> 00:05:38,340 big glass windows so when you go out for 138 00:05:46,820 --> 00:05:41,820 a cigarette haha there's some eye candy 139 00:05:48,350 --> 00:05:46,830 to be had but as I say what really 140 00:05:51,290 --> 00:05:48,360 brought us together was the socializing 141 00:05:52,700 --> 00:05:51,300 asperger and I was very surprised when 142 00:05:54,620 --> 00:05:52,710 we first heard it off that it wasn't 143 00:05:58,100 --> 00:05:54,630 just lawyers folk coming one we were 144 00:06:01,310 --> 00:05:58,110 getting expat Kiwis Ozzy's Canadians not 145 00:06:04,190 --> 00:06:01,320 coming a lot of Germania no fear yeah 146 00:06:06,650 --> 00:06:04,200 there's a huge xpac community in Dublin 147 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:06,660 because we had net immigration for about 148 00:06:12,020 --> 00:06:08,250 10 years and now unfortunately net 149 00:06:15,110 --> 00:06:12,030 immigration but we did our population on 150 00:06:16,820 --> 00:06:15,120 top by 500,000 in the last 10 years from 151 00:06:19,910 --> 00:06:16,830 immigrants mostly coming from Eastern 152 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:19,920 Europe so like there is a huge amount of 153 00:06:23,870 --> 00:06:22,290 people who come to our them from Russia 154 00:06:26,090 --> 00:06:23,880 there's some you know there's there's a 155 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:26,100 lot of foreign people in our and a 156 00:06:29,390 --> 00:06:28,290 skeptical if it's really good and the 157 00:06:31,490 --> 00:06:29,400 one thing a lot of people don't know 158 00:06:33,710 --> 00:06:31,500 about Ireland is am if you're like 159 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:33,720 myself I don't live in dublin I live 160 00:06:37,910 --> 00:06:36,210 down the very middle of Ireland in Port 161 00:06:40,490 --> 00:06:37,920 lace which is 162 00:06:44,780 --> 00:06:40,500 and the county of leash is landlocked 163 00:06:48,620 --> 00:06:44,790 and we are far away from most rational 164 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:48,630 thoughts there's still a wall in my town 165 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:52,410 with a 20 foot long ad for a spin 166 00:07:01,580 --> 00:06:54,690 ologist or spine ologist I knowledge yes 167 00:07:03,290 --> 00:07:01,590 I think if you spin on you see all of 168 00:07:06,740 --> 00:07:03,300 these things you know people advertising 169 00:07:09,410 --> 00:07:06,750 all the hokum and the acupuncture ear 170 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:09,420 candling and water now I can't go into 171 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:12,060 any of the pubs in my village and talk 172 00:07:15,950 --> 00:07:14,130 to people about this because it's a 173 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:15,960 small community and they're going to 174 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:17,370 look at you as the freakin and you get 175 00:07:24,500 --> 00:07:21,710 ostracized but to have a big gathering 176 00:07:26,510 --> 00:07:24,510 only an error away on the bus is a 177 00:07:29,620 --> 00:07:26,520 really important thing it gives you that 178 00:07:31,820 --> 00:07:29,630 release once a month well I guess I 179 00:07:34,730 --> 00:07:31,830 guess it wouldn't take long to get 180 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:34,740 anywhere in Ireland really no no it's 181 00:07:38,750 --> 00:07:36,450 really predict leasing is the upgrade of 182 00:07:42,290 --> 00:07:38,760 the motorway network very recently with 183 00:07:44,330 --> 00:07:42,300 thanks to the EU and their money corfe 184 00:07:46,970 --> 00:07:44,340 to dublin is a four hour drive yeah but 185 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:46,980 it used to be saying desire land use the 186 00:07:52,970 --> 00:07:50,610 euro yes we use your right okay yes I 187 00:07:54,950 --> 00:07:52,980 refuse to call the viera by the way my 188 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:54,960 little personal bugbear they can stay at 189 00:07:58,550 --> 00:07:56,370 our currency but they can't still the 190 00:08:00,350 --> 00:07:58,560 language if i'm going to read james 191 00:08:01,940 --> 00:08:00,360 joyce and he's talking about pounds and 192 00:08:04,790 --> 00:08:01,950 pence i still want to be thinking about 193 00:08:06,350 --> 00:08:04,800 it so they might call it the euro maybe 194 00:08:08,450 --> 00:08:06,360 but i'm not going to call you my trick 195 00:08:11,510 --> 00:08:08,460 in the road and stop oh yeah what your 196 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:11,520 toys yet okay right yeah like mike rowe 197 00:08:18,530 --> 00:08:15,170 weaving metric in australia since 1973 I 198 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:18,540 think in Canada's metric and I know it's 199 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:20,130 strange for our American listeners 200 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:22,890 because when I go to visit my friends 201 00:08:28,130 --> 00:08:24,570 and family in America and conferences 202 00:08:29,420 --> 00:08:28,140 it's back to Imperial I over i find very 203 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:29,430 strange is when you're driving across 204 00:08:35,180 --> 00:08:32,850 the border into Belfast and lay up north 205 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:35,190 you're going at like 120 kilometers an 206 00:08:39,050 --> 00:08:37,170 hour and then it's a hundred miles an 207 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:39,060 hour or another hundred like it's a 208 00:08:42,590 --> 00:08:40,770 hundred kilometers an hour which is 60 209 00:08:44,630 --> 00:08:42,600 miles an hour but when they change down 210 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:44,640 to 60 you find yourself going at 60 211 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:45,930 kilometers an hour because your brain is 212 00:08:50,930 --> 00:08:48,330 not good a kilometers you're like oh why 213 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:50,940 is it so slow this road is really good 214 00:08:57,530 --> 00:08:54,510 understand why but it's really context 215 00:08:59,900 --> 00:08:57,540 again is it you know i mean if i am 216 00:09:01,850 --> 00:08:59,910 driving i'll be thinking in kilometers 217 00:09:03,530 --> 00:09:01,860 yeah and if i'm looking at distance in 218 00:09:05,780 --> 00:09:03,540 the hubby thinking kilometer yeah but if 219 00:09:08,060 --> 00:09:05,790 i'm working on a carpentry project i'll 220 00:09:10,220 --> 00:09:08,070 still be thinking feet and inches yeah 221 00:09:13,730 --> 00:09:10,230 it's in Australia to of people 222 00:09:17,660 --> 00:09:13,740 especially of my generation I can't 223 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:17,670 really think in pounds and stone for 224 00:09:23,180 --> 00:09:20,010 weight i think in kilos what's point 6 h 225 00:09:26,330 --> 00:09:23,190 meters there does that mean anything to 226 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:26,340 get a little hey Tory but if a day or a 227 00:09:32,300 --> 00:09:28,890 hundred and well this is it you see if I 228 00:09:34,490 --> 00:09:32,310 is if asked I'll Sam 641 exactly i say 229 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:34,500 right yeah no idea and i know and i 230 00:09:38,420 --> 00:09:36,930 think that's roughly and my listeners 231 00:09:41,060 --> 00:09:38,430 will probably render their calculators 232 00:09:43,820 --> 00:09:41,070 about 186 or something in that in that 233 00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:43,830 general area but no I'm 6 foot 1 i'm not 234 00:09:50,750 --> 00:09:48,000 being doing metric it stranger 72 Kyra's 235 00:09:53,540 --> 00:09:50,760 throw that I understand you well what am 236 00:09:56,690 --> 00:09:53,550 I in pans and stones well actually I 237 00:10:00,320 --> 00:09:56,700 know stones more you know I'm around 10 238 00:10:03,380 --> 00:10:00,330 to 11 stone or whatever you know but the 239 00:10:05,450 --> 00:10:03,390 Americans talk in I am 148 pounds and 240 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:05,460 you're going hey Dave that 10 stone well 241 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:08,010 I wouldn't ask you pin I really wouldn't 242 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:11,250 tell you she's allies young lady 243 00:10:20,030 --> 00:10:15,290 lymphoma this area is right I am I am 244 00:10:23,150 --> 00:10:20,040 curvaceous you know I'm not gonna wait 245 00:10:26,270 --> 00:10:23,160 in that that's going out then what why 246 00:10:28,820 --> 00:10:26,280 well but let's get back to sort of brass 247 00:10:34,310 --> 00:10:28,830 tacks and so I don't think about your 248 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:34,320 curvaceous yeah I both gone red 249 00:10:41,079 --> 00:10:38,490 listeners I swear cheers Cheers like 250 00:10:45,070 --> 00:10:41,089 dear folks use your interviewer is 251 00:10:48,620 --> 00:10:45,080 sweating and blushing let's talk about 252 00:10:51,410 --> 00:10:48,630 why you here and not because you bought 253 00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:51,420 a ticket came to QED why are you a 254 00:10:57,380 --> 00:10:55,440 skeptic and I've largely in rebellion to 255 00:10:58,790 --> 00:10:57,390 my father I know that sounds terrible 256 00:11:01,100 --> 00:10:58,800 for when you're a teenager and you're 257 00:11:04,460 --> 00:11:01,110 defining yourself you tend to define 258 00:11:05,030 --> 00:11:04,470 yourself against other things and me and 259 00:11:07,129 --> 00:11:05,040 my father 260 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:07,139 are incredibly similar we have pretty 261 00:11:12,079 --> 00:11:09,690 much identical personalities which means 262 00:11:13,910 --> 00:11:12,089 that if he says black I'm bound to say 263 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:13,920 white if you mean because he's wrong 264 00:11:21,439 --> 00:11:17,130 obviously obviously right so my dad is a 265 00:11:23,860 --> 00:11:21,449 little bit into his whoo and he means 266 00:11:27,230 --> 00:11:23,870 well it's you know it's it he genuinely 267 00:11:29,210 --> 00:11:27,240 genuinely believes us witches and he 268 00:11:32,420 --> 00:11:29,220 acknowledges that I don't if you know me 269 00:11:34,220 --> 00:11:32,430 but and I think when I was forming my 270 00:11:38,090 --> 00:11:34,230 opinions of things because he believed 271 00:11:40,430 --> 00:11:38,100 in you know magic charla his name who 272 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:40,440 used to do them the meat he used to 273 00:11:46,550 --> 00:11:42,810 coach the Meath football team I will 274 00:11:49,639 --> 00:11:46,560 know he was big into it like homeopathy 275 00:11:51,829 --> 00:11:49,649 okay you know understand and and so my 276 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:51,839 dad would be like would have brought me 277 00:11:55,189 --> 00:11:53,130 to him and I was saying you know like I 278 00:11:58,579 --> 00:11:55,199 was you know so as a result of that I 279 00:12:00,559 --> 00:11:58,589 was angry homeopathy Doug not for any 280 00:12:02,090 --> 00:12:00,569 logical reason it was just because my 281 00:12:04,790 --> 00:12:02,100 dad was intuitive therefore I couldn't 282 00:12:06,980 --> 00:12:04,800 be here about your pure rebellion and 283 00:12:09,050 --> 00:12:06,990 then and then I like I used to be very 284 00:12:11,689 --> 00:12:09,060 Catholic I used to read at Mass I used 285 00:12:13,579 --> 00:12:11,699 to do I was I peered and I appeared in 286 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:13,589 the Easter ceremonies on TV if he knows 287 00:12:19,189 --> 00:12:16,529 when I was very I really am I really was 288 00:12:20,629 --> 00:12:19,199 pretty in not pretty Catholic in a kind 289 00:12:22,610 --> 00:12:20,639 of like believing everything in the 290 00:12:25,009 --> 00:12:22,620 Bible because most Catholics so this is 291 00:12:26,990 --> 00:12:25,019 your your how you brought up here we get 292 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:27,000 in you know I quite I actually I learned 293 00:12:30,470 --> 00:12:28,769 a lot from reading at Mass you learn to 294 00:12:32,210 --> 00:12:30,480 speak in front of 2,000 people that 295 00:12:34,490 --> 00:12:32,220 blink you know like it's public speaking 296 00:12:37,189 --> 00:12:34,500 or younger like reading a mass is a 297 00:12:38,809 --> 00:12:37,199 really good thing you go but I'm I just 298 00:12:41,030 --> 00:12:38,819 you know then I found I went oh and 299 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:41,040 pagan and then you know and then I were 300 00:12:46,850 --> 00:12:43,410 you know and I went baby steps the whole 301 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:46,860 way along into skepticism and I did like 302 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:48,510 I think the first time I stopped 303 00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:50,130 believing in ghosts was when I said to 304 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:51,360 one of my friends believed in ghosts I 305 00:12:55,340 --> 00:12:53,010 was like going well something might be 306 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:55,350 going on but I don't think it's ghosts 307 00:12:59,689 --> 00:12:58,170 and I think in maybe 20 years time signs 308 00:13:03,769 --> 00:12:59,699 my telus obviously science has already 309 00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:03,779 told us there's no ghosts but yet an 310 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:06,000 unexplained phenomena yeah instead of 311 00:13:10,340 --> 00:13:08,250 having a pre-prepared answer and saying 312 00:13:13,100 --> 00:13:10,350 oh it's alien so yeah oh it's a ghost 313 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:13,110 you suddenly start saying well it's 314 00:13:17,990 --> 00:13:15,930 something strange but we don't know well 315 00:13:18,350 --> 00:13:18,000 this is it this is it i think skepticism 316 00:13:19,759 --> 00:13:18,360 is 317 00:13:21,259 --> 00:13:19,769 wonderful in that respect because it 318 00:13:24,410 --> 00:13:21,269 gives you the right to say with 319 00:13:27,530 --> 00:13:24,420 authority I don't know which is which is 320 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:27,540 a wonderfully wonderful per day 321 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:29,730 expression of the scientific method yeah 322 00:13:34,630 --> 00:13:32,490 I don't know I don't let's do a bit more 323 00:13:37,670 --> 00:13:34,640 which is when you said that sciences 324 00:13:40,550 --> 00:13:37,680 there's no ghosts well not exactly but 325 00:13:42,019 --> 00:13:40,560 we said there's just nothing that's been 326 00:13:44,060 --> 00:13:42,029 weeks you put ghosts in the same 327 00:13:48,769 --> 00:13:44,070 categories unicorns and leprechauns and 328 00:13:51,380 --> 00:13:48,779 all that's epic ons exist I'm sorry 0n 329 00:13:52,910 --> 00:13:51,390 Dublin there is a Dublin Museum of 330 00:13:54,410 --> 00:13:52,920 leprechaun the Leprechaun museum is 331 00:13:56,090 --> 00:13:54,420 wonderful if you're ever visiting 332 00:13:58,759 --> 00:13:56,100 ireland should go with actually very 333 00:14:00,139 --> 00:13:58,769 very good museum and they go into the 334 00:14:01,819 --> 00:14:00,149 history of irish mythology it's 335 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:01,829 brilliant it's actually very well done 336 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:04,290 sounds very much it's fantastic we went 337 00:14:09,050 --> 00:14:07,529 once as a kind of a research trip with 338 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:09,060 children as our excuse like we brought 339 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:11,730 you an excuse but they have like they've 340 00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:14,370 got old memorabilia from like old 341 00:14:18,079 --> 00:14:16,230 cartoons i think there's a super mine 342 00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:18,089 cart at comic book with separable oh 343 00:14:24,980 --> 00:14:21,360 like something and it's fascinating is 344 00:14:27,170 --> 00:14:24,990 well there is the dare i say the disney 345 00:14:28,699 --> 00:14:27,180 the Hollywood leprechaun Imahara be on 346 00:14:31,340 --> 00:14:28,709 toonami okay which we're going to be 347 00:14:33,620 --> 00:14:31,350 watching next foods tiny little this yay 348 00:14:35,150 --> 00:14:33,630 high with the big green hat yeah and all 349 00:14:37,430 --> 00:14:35,160 that sort of stuff I don't know terms 350 00:14:39,889 --> 00:14:37,440 lucky jumps I don't know how that 351 00:14:42,290 --> 00:14:39,899 correlates to the mythology the real 352 00:14:44,269 --> 00:14:42,300 mother very very far away I mean in a 353 00:14:46,579 --> 00:14:44,279 melodic gold and all that but see that's 354 00:14:48,590 --> 00:14:46,589 the thing ARLA there's a lovely country 355 00:14:50,540 --> 00:14:48,600 because of its wealth of mythology I 356 00:14:52,490 --> 00:14:50,550 mean my own path into skepticism 357 00:14:56,210 --> 00:14:52,500 basically came through following the 358 00:14:58,009 --> 00:14:56,220 mythology I was brought up i was born in 359 00:15:03,350 --> 00:14:58,019 ireland but brought up in south africa 360 00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:03,360 and as a kind of what they come between 361 00:15:07,970 --> 00:15:05,040 ease now but you know from eight nine 362 00:15:11,060 --> 00:15:07,980 ten eleven years old oh that I basically 363 00:15:15,050 --> 00:15:11,070 lived in the mythology section of my 364 00:15:20,420 --> 00:15:15,060 South African library and I read the 365 00:15:22,460 --> 00:15:20,430 Greeks i read the hindu mythology the 366 00:15:24,910 --> 00:15:22,470 relevance all of that and then 367 00:15:27,470 --> 00:15:24,920 eventually give up fighting against your 368 00:15:29,250 --> 00:15:27,480 natural tendencies new read the irish 369 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:29,260 mythology and there are some 370 00:15:33,690 --> 00:15:31,810 wonderful beautiful stories there and I 371 00:15:35,130 --> 00:15:33,700 love the stories and I wish that they 372 00:15:36,210 --> 00:15:35,140 could be true but I knew somewhere in 373 00:15:38,490 --> 00:15:36,220 the back of my head they weren't quite 374 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:38,500 then when we moved back to Ireland I got 375 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:41,530 to meet my great uncle Brian and i'll 376 00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:42,970 actually say i don't believe in the 377 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:44,800 words because i'm an atheist but God 378 00:15:49,290 --> 00:15:47,050 rest him yeah you know I know what you 379 00:15:51,210 --> 00:15:49,300 mean yeah I know what you mean there's a 380 00:15:53,820 --> 00:15:51,220 man who if anyone deserves good rest he 381 00:15:56,970 --> 00:15:53,830 deserves this chap worked his whole life 382 00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:56,980 as a corporation Street worker he dug 383 00:16:02,610 --> 00:15:59,920 holes in the road for Dublin Corporation 384 00:16:04,380 --> 00:16:02,620 and yet when we went to visit him we'd 385 00:16:06,810 --> 00:16:04,390 visit him maybe once a fortnight he was 386 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:06,820 the brother of my great-grandfather the 387 00:16:12,690 --> 00:16:10,450 only man of that generates or alive so 388 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:12,700 we'd visit him once a week and the one 389 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:14,170 thing we would do is go out to his back 390 00:16:19,890 --> 00:16:17,370 and help him with his weeding of his 391 00:16:22,260 --> 00:16:19,900 carrots potatoes and so on and he grew 392 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:22,270 himself the other thing that we do is 393 00:16:26,070 --> 00:16:24,010 we'd sit down afterwards and have a cup 394 00:16:27,870 --> 00:16:26,080 of tea and him and I would talk about 395 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:27,880 what came eight on new scientists that 396 00:16:33,930 --> 00:16:30,850 week because at 94 years old the man 397 00:16:36,690 --> 00:16:33,940 still had a lust for knowledge no one of 398 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:36,700 all of his life he wanted to know what 399 00:16:39,180 --> 00:16:38,050 are we going to do and how is the world 400 00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:39,190 going to change him here who can I 401 00:16:43,380 --> 00:16:41,710 understand that a bit better and he was 402 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:43,390 the man who made me question all the 403 00:16:47,370 --> 00:16:45,090 beliefs that I had beforehand and 404 00:16:50,820 --> 00:16:47,380 obviously as a teenager I went through 405 00:16:52,110 --> 00:16:50,830 the dance with paganism that you do you 406 00:16:53,910 --> 00:16:52,120 know it wouldn't it be wonderful if 407 00:16:55,860 --> 00:16:53,920 wicker was true and all that sort of 408 00:16:58,050 --> 00:16:55,870 thing oh it's coming to every well no 409 00:17:00,480 --> 00:16:58,060 we're not paganism with everybody but 410 00:17:03,330 --> 00:17:00,490 yeah what's right you all out in 411 00:17:06,030 --> 00:17:03,340 agelessness him for me especially am I 412 00:17:07,650 --> 00:17:06,040 went along to a lot of silly conventions 413 00:17:10,020 --> 00:17:07,660 and stuff and I was taught how to read 414 00:17:11,670 --> 00:17:10,030 tarot cards and I thought I could 415 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:11,680 actually read her occurrence for a while 416 00:17:17,250 --> 00:17:15,490 you know until I read a bit of Carl 417 00:17:19,470 --> 00:17:17,260 Fagin I didn't realize that I was cold 418 00:17:21,650 --> 00:17:19,480 reading people you know good heavens 419 00:17:26,430 --> 00:17:21,660 there's that name coming up once again 420 00:17:28,260 --> 00:17:26,440 yes Safari yeah it's amazing yeah but 421 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:28,270 once I did understand that I was cold 422 00:17:32,100 --> 00:17:30,490 reading people for a couple of times I 423 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:32,110 tried today just to check if that was 424 00:17:35,940 --> 00:17:33,910 true and you know to try and do it 425 00:17:38,190 --> 00:17:35,950 properly and then I said no I'm doing 426 00:17:39,420 --> 00:17:38,200 this no more although friends of mine 427 00:17:41,970 --> 00:17:39,430 are trying to convince me that I should 428 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:41,980 set up a market so where we give you the 429 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:42,370 terror 430 00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:44,770 reading and then we explain what we 431 00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:46,000 actually did and they'll actually 432 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:48,400 figuration well I I've had direct 433 00:17:52,770 --> 00:17:51,130 experience who listen I haven't been the 434 00:17:54,770 --> 00:17:52,780 one doing the reading but a very dear 435 00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:54,780 friend of mine in Kelly in Australia has 436 00:18:01,680 --> 00:17:58,960 but here's the twist before she starts 437 00:18:03,810 --> 00:18:01,690 she says to the people i'm going to do a 438 00:18:05,790 --> 00:18:03,820 cold reading this is not psychic I'm not 439 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:05,800 psychic is this all a trick elem i'm 440 00:18:10,110 --> 00:18:07,809 here to show you how it works and it's 441 00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:10,120 mentalism in the way that Derren Brown 442 00:18:16,350 --> 00:18:13,840 does mentalism yeah it's an or a good 443 00:18:22,260 --> 00:18:16,360 good friend of mine I know Ian Roland 444 00:18:24,060 --> 00:18:22,270 some British metalist but she had as in 445 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:24,070 if she still doing it now I'm not 446 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:25,450 terribly sure but when she did it she 447 00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:29,170 had people saying afterwards when can I 448 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:30,640 have a private reading and i'll pay you 449 00:18:37,260 --> 00:18:33,610 yeah even though she called the mother 450 00:18:40,260 --> 00:18:37,270 front yeah that's how powerful a good 451 00:18:42,810 --> 00:18:40,270 cold we do recall oh there is one in 452 00:18:45,450 --> 00:18:42,820 dublin he's a guy called EP christian 453 00:18:47,430 --> 00:18:45,460 and he genuinely believes he's psychic 454 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:47,440 if he knows he genuinely he's not 455 00:18:52,650 --> 00:18:50,230 bullshitting it yeah he's not scandalous 456 00:18:54,419 --> 00:18:52,660 girls let's cover most most people I 457 00:18:56,430 --> 00:18:54,429 meet who call themselves psychics are 458 00:18:58,260 --> 00:18:56,440 honest yeah if I can put it that way I 459 00:19:00,090 --> 00:18:58,270 really believe in their own he learnt it 460 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:00,100 from his grandmother if you are tall and 461 00:19:06,030 --> 00:19:02,410 she used to so I think it's just but he 462 00:19:07,860 --> 00:19:06,040 is amazing like he is genuinely one of 463 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:07,870 the best I'm like shopping they're 464 00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:09,850 really complain so he because i remember 465 00:19:12,990 --> 00:19:11,830 when i went along I thought our his the 466 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:13,000 you know there was a break between the 467 00:19:16,820 --> 00:19:15,610 last person and me and are now is when 468 00:19:18,900 --> 00:19:16,830 he's going to ask me all the questions 469 00:19:21,930 --> 00:19:18,910 yeah this is where he's gonna ask me all 470 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:21,940 the questions so he can psychically pick 471 00:19:25,169 --> 00:19:23,650 up on things and he didn't he spent the 472 00:19:26,460 --> 00:19:25,179 entire time talking about himself and 473 00:19:27,870 --> 00:19:26,470 how his grandmother had died the 474 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:27,880 previous year and he didn't her to the 475 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:29,050 house and he wasn't sure what he was 476 00:19:33,419 --> 00:19:30,970 going to do with it so there was no 477 00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:33,429 questions nothing I I still have no idea 478 00:19:37,410 --> 00:19:35,200 how he picked up in the stuff to be 479 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:37,420 picked up her because he was brilliant 480 00:19:41,220 --> 00:19:39,610 like he had things like I know I 481 00:19:42,540 --> 00:19:41,230 probably there was still confirmation 482 00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,550 bias in my own head if you know even 483 00:19:46,380 --> 00:19:44,080 though I was aware of what was going on 484 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:46,390 but he still it was pretty such a good 485 00:19:51,570 --> 00:19:50,170 example yeah it is yeah yeah I just want 486 00:19:54,060 --> 00:19:51,580 to bring it back quickly to the history 487 00:19:56,149 --> 00:19:54,070 of what's happened in Ireland if 488 00:20:00,239 --> 00:19:56,159 skeptics please 489 00:20:02,399 --> 00:20:00,249 because there was an hour skeptics there 490 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:02,409 is a garden there still is scattered 491 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:04,570 Accardo movement and I think they're 492 00:20:10,259 --> 00:20:06,850 very closely looked to the Irish 493 00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:10,269 humanist movement and that and but then 494 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:12,480 a couple of years ago atheist Armand 495 00:20:17,310 --> 00:20:15,730 stirrups getting very vocal when we were 496 00:20:18,930 --> 00:20:17,320 getting some referendums coming in and 497 00:20:21,869 --> 00:20:18,940 they wanted to start pushing for a 498 00:20:23,549 --> 00:20:21,879 secular stage oh and i have to say 499 00:20:26,369 --> 00:20:23,559 Michael Nagant and older people with him 500 00:20:32,489 --> 00:20:26,379 up done lots of religion really good 501 00:20:34,369 --> 00:20:32,499 work but what the skeptic are what we 502 00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:34,379 refer to as the grown-up skeptics yeah 503 00:20:40,139 --> 00:20:37,600 they would get talkers oh yeah they were 504 00:20:42,570 --> 00:20:40,149 good people over and that you would go 505 00:20:44,609 --> 00:20:42,580 and in Mike hotels and it would be very 506 00:20:46,139 --> 00:20:44,619 proper oh you would have to pay a good 507 00:20:48,690 --> 00:20:46,149 bit of money and it would probably be 508 00:20:52,220 --> 00:20:48,700 once every two or three months it would 509 00:20:55,019 --> 00:20:52,230 happen and that's what got us riled up 510 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:55,029 not riled up but then we want to attack 511 00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:57,369 them or anything but hey let's do things 512 00:21:03,330 --> 00:20:59,580 ourselves so this is why we set up 513 00:21:06,269 --> 00:21:03,340 dublin skeptics in the pub and they 514 00:21:09,659 --> 00:21:06,279 basically came out of the goth 515 00:21:11,129 --> 00:21:09,669 subculture to be honest am is that why 516 00:21:12,749 --> 00:21:11,139 you're both wearing black t-shirts I 517 00:21:14,489 --> 00:21:12,759 wonder day well no I'm wearing a black 518 00:21:17,249 --> 00:21:14,499 t-shirt because it's got the Leonardo 519 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:17,259 bicycle Leonato it's beautiful Leonardo 520 00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:19,210 looks like they are they drew voice it 521 00:21:24,539 --> 00:21:22,360 does it's wrong I know it's well thank 522 00:21:27,090 --> 00:21:24,549 you because I've got mine is a portal 523 00:21:28,859 --> 00:21:27,100 and t-shirt it's gone doctor doctor who 524 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:28,869 and Alice in Wonderland and Bill and Ted 525 00:21:34,529 --> 00:21:32,769 and the girl from portal I'm wearing a 526 00:21:36,450 --> 00:21:34,539 white james randi polo sure they've got 527 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:36,460 yeah but you've got the flying t-shirt 528 00:21:42,239 --> 00:21:40,570 metal bands i think tomorrow i'll be 529 00:21:45,090 --> 00:21:42,249 wearing my official skipper collins 530 00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:45,100 t-shirt okay so after that delve into 531 00:21:52,259 --> 00:21:50,080 couturier and what was important to us 532 00:21:54,450 --> 00:21:52,269 was as i said earlier on to have that 533 00:21:56,220 --> 00:21:54,460 social gathering you rather than coming 534 00:21:58,139 --> 00:21:56,230 along to a formal thing absolutely to 535 00:22:00,749 --> 00:21:58,149 have this social government now since 536 00:22:04,169 --> 00:22:00,759 then we have set up other stuff but what 537 00:22:07,379 --> 00:22:04,179 actually kicked it off was that a DJ 538 00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:07,389 buddy of mine had a girlfriend you had a 539 00:22:09,850 --> 00:22:07,820 good 540 00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:09,860 and when we find ourselves in the same 541 00:22:15,730 --> 00:22:11,840 goth club we always talked about the 542 00:22:17,140 --> 00:22:15,740 same skeptic things I me remember why 543 00:22:21,130 --> 00:22:17,150 don't we have somewhere that we can go 544 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:21,140 along and do this was Rebecca that that 545 00:22:26,980 --> 00:22:24,290 would be Rebecca DJ Beck spot yeah she 546 00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:26,990 is absolutely amazing and if only she 547 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:29,480 her flight was earlier she'd be here to 548 00:22:35,260 --> 00:22:33,110 sit and chat to you as well but the two 549 00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:35,270 of us sort of yet okay we'll kick it 550 00:22:40,420 --> 00:22:37,520 together we got the facebook page gone 551 00:22:42,370 --> 00:22:40,430 we got the Twitter going and then once 552 00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,380 we'd had a couple of monthly meetings we 553 00:22:50,170 --> 00:22:44,960 said we'll everybody else is doing a 554 00:22:51,610 --> 00:22:50,180 podcast why shouldn't we and it's gone 555 00:22:53,050 --> 00:22:51,620 through its ups and downs and if you 556 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:53,060 want to know the full history of it go 557 00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:55,490 to skipper cons that IE and listened 558 00:23:04,120 --> 00:22:58,610 from episode 1 through 2 episode 15 18 559 00:23:07,900 --> 00:23:04,130 18 18 yeah skip raccoons dot ie so like 560 00:23:09,910 --> 00:23:07,910 you would spell leprechaun oh that was I 561 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:09,920 do I think that was that was a dog with 562 00:23:13,390 --> 00:23:11,570 Greg stone that was yeah skeptics in the 563 00:23:14,860 --> 00:23:13,400 pub joke that we were drunk one night 564 00:23:19,870 --> 00:23:14,870 and that was where the name came from 565 00:23:21,370 --> 00:23:19,880 I'm a new am a co-host with skipper cons 566 00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:21,380 I came in for one of the earlier 567 00:23:26,530 --> 00:23:24,830 episodes and then last year there was a 568 00:23:29,470 --> 00:23:26,540 week sort of change the format and it's 569 00:23:32,410 --> 00:23:29,480 me and Rebecca doing it now so graces as 570 00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:32,420 far as I know it's the only skeptical 571 00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,340 podcast and I would love to be treated 572 00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,520 treated or proven wrong so any of you 573 00:23:42,010 --> 00:23:39,200 listeners out there who know that I'm 574 00:23:45,330 --> 00:23:42,020 wrong email me at six 6 steve @ 575 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:45,340 gmail.com prove me wrong but I think 576 00:23:52,210 --> 00:23:49,010 apart from the Texas group who have an 577 00:23:56,590 --> 00:23:52,220 all-female atheist group but I think you 578 00:23:58,150 --> 00:23:56,600 are the only all-female skeptical just 579 00:24:00,880 --> 00:23:58,160 go although we do have steve is our 580 00:24:02,410 --> 00:24:00,890 roving Uncle Matt reporter as you called 581 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:02,420 himself earlier on tonight traveling 582 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:04,820 Michael traveling Matt you need to know 583 00:24:10,150 --> 00:24:07,760 the Fraggle story yeah well then this 584 00:24:11,890 --> 00:24:10,160 this is so encouraging because it just 585 00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:11,900 says to me there are people all around 586 00:24:17,670 --> 00:24:14,960 the world you know from Europe just 587 00:24:20,820 --> 00:24:17,680 probably South Africa and 588 00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:20,830 and South Africa does have a very good 589 00:24:25,820 --> 00:24:23,710 podcast going out of there and how's it 590 00:24:31,230 --> 00:24:25,830 to all our South African listeners yeah 591 00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:31,240 nekkid Brett ah but it just doesn't it 592 00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,150 brings home to me that this is people 593 00:24:39,180 --> 00:24:36,400 all around the world to saying well why 594 00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:39,190 can't we do that and doing it and doing 595 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:40,960 it I do think that it's likely a 596 00:24:45,690 --> 00:24:42,690 backlash against there's a lot of 597 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:45,700 anti-science around at the moment if you 598 00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:47,050 know I mean you've got your anti-vaxxers 599 00:24:51,210 --> 00:24:48,640 coming up all over the place which is 600 00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,220 the lead to a huge amount of about 601 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:53,440 breaks of measles and German measles and 602 00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:55,210 whooping-cough whooping cough is is 603 00:25:00,750 --> 00:24:58,720 really coming back in the in local 604 00:25:02,010 --> 00:25:00,760 newspaper just just the other day just 605 00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:02,020 yesterday and I'm going to be talking 606 00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:03,700 about it this weekend there's a whole 607 00:25:09,030 --> 00:25:06,760 story about in the metro yeah really 608 00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:09,040 local news the free newspaper parents 609 00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:10,960 please vaccinate is basically the story 610 00:25:14,940 --> 00:25:13,150 there was a huge scare because of andrew 611 00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:14,950 wakefield yeah but there's that and then 612 00:25:21,420 --> 00:25:17,110 there's the anti climate climate science 613 00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:21,430 crowd and who are like I mean they were 614 00:25:24,810 --> 00:25:22,960 and I know why people don't want to 615 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:24,820 believe that the climate is changing and 616 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:26,290 you don't want to believe that you you 617 00:25:29,070 --> 00:25:27,490 you know what you're doing is destroying 618 00:25:33,420 --> 00:25:29,080 the world and that you may end up living 619 00:25:34,830 --> 00:25:33,430 on a tiny piece of land with no no good 620 00:25:35,850 --> 00:25:34,840 soil or anything like that people don't 621 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:35,860 want to believe they're good neighbors 622 00:25:38,730 --> 00:25:37,690 room no good neighbors already but they 623 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:38,740 don't want to believe that the world is 624 00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:40,210 going to change that drastically so it's 625 00:25:43,740 --> 00:25:41,320 easier to stick your head in the sand 626 00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:43,750 but unfortunately when you stick your 627 00:25:49,170 --> 00:25:45,070 head in the sand you're not doing 628 00:25:52,770 --> 00:25:49,180 anything to ya know it's the ultimate 629 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:52,780 irony that we're labeled skeptics and 630 00:25:57,870 --> 00:25:54,610 people think oh your climate change 631 00:25:59,640 --> 00:25:57,880 sceptics yours or as I I'm not so much 632 00:26:02,220 --> 00:25:59,650 now but I have in the past been called a 633 00:26:04,410 --> 00:26:02,230 moon landing skeptic no I'm not that's 634 00:26:05,970 --> 00:26:04,420 what is get picky fool you know yeah but 635 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:05,980 the worst thing is that as soon as 636 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:07,450 people hear the word skeptic they think 637 00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:10,330 cynic mmm there's this link it's the old 638 00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:13,870 in there a skeptic means a cynic when 639 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:17,920 actually as we all know listen hello 640 00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:20,170 some delegates as the Contras hello but 641 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:22,240 they're obviously from armed with come 642 00:26:26,670 --> 00:26:24,370 and join us go and join us we're 643 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:26,680 recording a podcast so beware what you 644 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:33,300 Oh going here the stairs and you can 645 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:35,530 work thank you all right we'll see you 646 00:26:41,370 --> 00:26:37,650 at they will see you at the conference 647 00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,380 seeing the talk in the morning guys was 648 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:44,080 nothing saved those are some of the best 649 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:46,570 looking skeptics of Fame's lady is a 650 00:26:52,140 --> 00:26:49,330 dark purple hair and the gentleman had a 651 00:26:54,540 --> 00:26:52,150 leather jacket that i would kill cows 652 00:26:56,550 --> 00:26:54,550 how they came up here I don't know but 653 00:26:59,550 --> 00:26:56,560 they just appeared out of the lift or 654 00:27:02,580 --> 00:26:59,560 the elevator there you go and that might 655 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:02,590 be an opportunity segue to to wrap up 656 00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:04,530 our little discussion at the moment it's 657 00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:07,660 but I get back to the core point and why 658 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:11,710 was very keen to chat to you was to keep 659 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:14,110 encouraging my listeners from around the 660 00:27:19,710 --> 00:27:15,850 world no matter where you are if there 661 00:27:22,290 --> 00:27:19,720 is no skeptics in the pub then you be 662 00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:22,300 the one to make one because your 663 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:24,910 experience speaks volumes it's it's only 664 00:27:33,330 --> 00:27:28,210 good isn't it it's really really easy to 665 00:27:35,370 --> 00:27:33,340 do I am the most ineffectual fekr there 666 00:27:40,530 --> 00:27:35,380 is going I'm not going to lie he really 667 00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:40,540 is um but all you have to do is find one 668 00:27:48,090 --> 00:27:44,320 or two people who agree with you and is 669 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:48,100 overrated not go on you will then know 670 00:27:53,370 --> 00:27:51,130 that big are a bigger well you see I 671 00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:53,380 mean you're gonna find my dear we have 672 00:27:59,370 --> 00:27:56,320 come up with some of the best fans ever 673 00:28:01,380 --> 00:27:59,380 go on give them the best one if you want 674 00:28:04,530 --> 00:28:01,390 to be sure you've got to be you got to 675 00:28:06,780 --> 00:28:04,540 be sure to be sure I really think if i 676 00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:06,790 do say that i say like i'm going to do 677 00:28:11,730 --> 00:28:08,220 this twice just to be sure to be sure 678 00:28:13,710 --> 00:28:11,740 yes sir cream at the desk early i went 679 00:28:19,650 --> 00:28:13,720 up and patted my back is it is it 680 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:19,660 yourself when LM honestly i don't care 681 00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:24,250 if you're 16 or 65 I don't care whether 682 00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:26,230 you live in the middle of a city or in 683 00:28:29,670 --> 00:28:27,910 the middle of the wilderness there are 684 00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:29,680 people who think the same around you 685 00:28:32,580 --> 00:28:31,420 absolutely now you're very lucky if 686 00:28:36,660 --> 00:28:32,590 you're listening to this you obviously 687 00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:36,670 have internet access anyway so get on to 688 00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:38,740 internet and just look for people in 689 00:28:42,930 --> 00:28:41,440 your area and talk to people very easy 690 00:28:44,970 --> 00:28:42,940 to talk to people 691 00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:44,980 through the screen yes and then you 692 00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:47,260 might just bump into them and you might 693 00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:49,510 just have an evening where you just if 694 00:28:52,620 --> 00:28:51,190 there's only five year it doesn't matter 695 00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:52,630 and you can actually talk about how 696 00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:55,510 homeopathy yeah without being Smackdown 697 00:29:01,230 --> 00:28:58,720 for sale let it see and if you do happen 698 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:01,240 to found a skeptics in the pub no matter 699 00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:03,370 what in where you are in the world let 700 00:29:08,190 --> 00:29:05,350 me know let the skeptic zone know and we 701 00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:08,200 will let your city know by this podcast 702 00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:10,750 well wow what a pleasure it's been to 703 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:12,700 talk to you both in wonderful to meet 704 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:14,890 you for the first time of course yes it 705 00:29:21,210 --> 00:29:16,450 was wonderful to meet you too it's good 706 00:29:26,910 --> 00:29:21,220 thank you very much 66 Steve yeah 66 707 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:26,920 Steve or as we like to say sick I am 708 00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:30,490 ecote 80 on twitter if it's icy que le 709 00:29:36,090 --> 00:29:33,220 underscore tayto if you want to follow 710 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:36,100 me on twitter i am generally pleasant 711 00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:38,770 you know what I do want to follow you on 712 00:29:43,530 --> 00:29:41,740 twitter but right now listen is what 713 00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:43,540 I'll do is I'll take you straight from 714 00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,260 the wonderful land of Ireland here to 715 00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,080 Manchester and my interview with Janice 716 00:29:59,540 --> 00:29:52,720 Callister from the Manchester skeptics 717 00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:02,760 Manchester skeptics in the pub which 718 00:30:06,810 --> 00:30:05,110 I've just attended and still going on 719 00:30:08,730 --> 00:30:06,820 we've slipped away here to a sort of a 720 00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:08,740 back room near the toilets unfortunately 721 00:30:14,540 --> 00:30:11,320 over there you go and it's great to see 722 00:30:17,310 --> 00:30:14,550 you when did Manchester skeptics really 723 00:30:21,180 --> 00:30:17,320 kick off with this wonderful skeptics in 724 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:21,190 the pub we started David's in late two 725 00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,650 thousand nine there was a couple of guys 726 00:30:28,770 --> 00:30:25,840 Gavin and Alex who are so involved in 727 00:30:31,410 --> 00:30:28,780 the committee who and they started 728 00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:31,420 Stockport skeptics and they decided that 729 00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:33,190 well I think I think some people at 730 00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:34,480 merseyside to actually convince them 731 00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:36,940 that the Manchester needed skeptics 732 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:39,760 because obviously I heard their yes so a 733 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:42,310 Manchester and stop hot very close to 734 00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,290 each other but Manchester services 735 00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:46,720 furthermore the sitting but because 736 00:30:50,250 --> 00:30:48,070 we're actually greater manchester 737 00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,260 skeptic so the idea is that serves a 738 00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:53,200 larger area all right okay I understand 739 00:30:57,630 --> 00:30:55,780 and it's a fun venue I must say it's 740 00:31:00,420 --> 00:30:57,640 sort of a downstairs here in this pub 741 00:31:05,220 --> 00:31:00,430 where them with a very strange room yeah 742 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:05,230 full of 60s sci-fi memorabilia there are 743 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:07,930 Daleks there are Star Trek things there 744 00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:09,970 are it's pretty weird but it sort of 745 00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:11,950 works I think it's very nice yeah we 746 00:31:16,110 --> 00:31:14,350 absolutely love it here I mean actually 747 00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:16,120 is collagen spider published called the 748 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:19,750 TV 21 TV 21 yeah and yeah they've got a 749 00:31:24,270 --> 00:31:22,930 lot of sci-fi memorabilia and film posts 750 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:24,280 and things around and it kind of 751 00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:26,410 inspired us to do an event here we do on 752 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:28,150 an annual basis now called a geek nerd 753 00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:31,210 pride day so we all we have a fancy 754 00:31:35,550 --> 00:31:33,520 dress costume and geek nerd pride quiz 755 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:35,560 so it's not just skepticism it's kind of 756 00:31:39,810 --> 00:31:37,330 all the things that people might be 757 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:39,820 interested in like from sci-fi to a math 758 00:31:44,490 --> 00:31:43,090 oh it doesn't matter it's a wide-ranging 759 00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,500 and people come as all kinds of things 760 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:46,960 whether it's a sci-fi character or you 761 00:31:51,420 --> 00:31:48,370 know their favorite scientist or 762 00:31:53,250 --> 00:31:51,430 somebody who's been in skeptical news or 763 00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,260 that kind of thing and that's so much 764 00:31:58,050 --> 00:31:55,360 fun we love it that's fantastic because 765 00:32:00,060 --> 00:31:58,060 I must say I've really enjoyed tonight 766 00:32:01,530 --> 00:32:00,070 you've had a speaker talking about the 767 00:32:03,970 --> 00:32:01,540 baczynski 768 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:03,980 controversy that the clinic the the 769 00:32:08,530 --> 00:32:05,930 cancer clinic in the United States but 770 00:32:10,750 --> 00:32:08,540 the evening is going on and on and on 771 00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:10,760 and there the questions are still going 772 00:32:16,330 --> 00:32:14,510 in there and I people are really 773 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:16,340 interested in getting very passionate 774 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:18,650 about about the topic tonight do you 775 00:32:22,210 --> 00:32:20,930 find that normally the case with the 776 00:32:25,030 --> 00:32:22,220 speakers you have here in Manchester 777 00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:25,040 yeah absolute spray typical I always say 778 00:32:27,850 --> 00:32:26,240 at the beginning for people who've not 779 00:32:29,620 --> 00:32:27,860 been before that you know we have a 780 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:29,630 break and obviously we live in the city 781 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:30,890 center and not everyone can hang around 782 00:32:35,140 --> 00:32:33,050 but if you possibly can for me the best 783 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:35,150 part the evening is the Q&A it's 784 00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,170 absolutely brilliant there's so many 785 00:32:41,230 --> 00:32:38,480 questions and the speaker is always 786 00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:41,240 really receptive I don't know there's 787 00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,950 something about having that kind of open 788 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:44,960 forum for discussion which is it brings 789 00:32:49,030 --> 00:32:47,090 something extra so we just usually carry 790 00:32:51,220 --> 00:32:49,040 on for as long as as I said that being 791 00:32:53,650 --> 00:32:51,230 the speaker can keep standing or people 792 00:32:56,650 --> 00:32:53,660 have questions and even after that tends 793 00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,660 to carry on upstairs in the bar I think 794 00:33:02,050 --> 00:32:58,640 it's a great idea you have you have the 795 00:33:04,210 --> 00:33:02,060 speaker giving the talk for 40 minutes 796 00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:04,220 or an hour or whatever it is then you 797 00:33:08,020 --> 00:33:05,510 say right now we're having a break 798 00:33:09,580 --> 00:33:08,030 everybody runs to the bar and as a few 799 00:33:12,220 --> 00:33:09,590 drinks and and then I think they're 800 00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,230 primed then to you know they're 801 00:33:17,470 --> 00:33:14,000 lubricated as we might fail you in 802 00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:17,480 Australia to to carry on more which it's 803 00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:19,310 still going inside I think it's a great 804 00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,880 idea yeah I think that sometimes it 805 00:33:25,390 --> 00:33:24,080 gives you a bit of a chance to 806 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:25,400 consolidate your questions as well 807 00:33:31,060 --> 00:33:27,050 especially for you I'm actually a little 808 00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:31,070 bit shy and for me having having a 809 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:32,000 little bit of a break and knowing the 810 00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,370 Q&A a separate helps me to have a think 811 00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:35,840 about exactly what it is I want to ask 812 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:38,480 and sometimes people ask it for me but 813 00:33:45,010 --> 00:33:40,730 that's alright that's okay as long as I 814 00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,020 find out but and yeah it's a it's always 815 00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:47,840 the best part of me and to me it's such 816 00:33:55,210 --> 00:33:52,760 a pleasure to visit another skeptics in 817 00:33:57,330 --> 00:33:55,220 the pub I've been to skeptics in the pub 818 00:34:01,560 --> 00:33:57,340 in Sydney and Melbourne and camber 819 00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,570 in Edinburgh deep and now in Manchester 820 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:04,000 and every time I go to a different part 821 00:34:07,410 --> 00:34:05,410 of the world or different skeptics in 822 00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,420 the pub I I don't know I really 823 00:34:12,390 --> 00:34:09,520 recharges the batteries I think have you 824 00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:12,400 had the chance to go to other skeptics 825 00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:15,160 in the pub actually I started by going 826 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:17,110 the foot my very first get pics in pub I 827 00:34:22,350 --> 00:34:20,770 went to was in merseyside so they had an 828 00:34:23,790 --> 00:34:22,360 event though which was I think their 829 00:34:25,740 --> 00:34:23,800 original speaker canceled so they had 830 00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,750 four speakers that night and it was like 831 00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:27,520 short talks there's actually a really 832 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:30,910 good introduction to skepticism so 833 00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:32,770 instead of having this they usually have 834 00:34:36,390 --> 00:34:34,240 this format to I think a lot of places 835 00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:36,400 you of having the the long talk followed 836 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:38,620 by break in the new yeah and I saw I've 837 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:42,010 been to quite a few of those and that's 838 00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:44,410 it so far i'm planning to go and go and 839 00:34:47,910 --> 00:34:45,910 maybe go on a road trip if we can line 840 00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:47,920 some up i'd love to go to Birmingham 841 00:34:52,620 --> 00:34:51,070 because they they seem to pull a really 842 00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:52,630 good crowd and they're always really 843 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:54,250 active on the internets interesting to 844 00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:55,690 listen to where they have a podcast well 845 00:35:00,930 --> 00:34:58,210 they interview their speakers was really 846 00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,940 really interesting interview so it's 847 00:35:04,860 --> 00:35:03,040 quite inspiring to listen to well every 848 00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,870 time I go to a new skeptics in the pub 849 00:35:09,210 --> 00:35:06,880 I'm always inspired myself to tell my 850 00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:09,220 listeners wherever you are in the world 851 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:11,260 if there's not a skeptics in the pub in 852 00:35:18,330 --> 00:35:16,090 your city well be the one that kicks it 853 00:35:19,860 --> 00:35:18,340 off that really does it yeah that's said 854 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:19,870 I mean there's been a massive boom in 855 00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,730 them i think in the last few years you 856 00:35:24,510 --> 00:35:22,960 can just see them all the time new 857 00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:24,520 groups appearing and what's really great 858 00:35:28,140 --> 00:35:26,320 is when it happens you see all the 859 00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:28,150 people who involved in organizing from 860 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:30,430 all over you know offering to help in 861 00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:32,950 any way they can and there's a form if 862 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:34,510 you want to start up here in skeptics in 863 00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:35,890 the pub week and you can get involved 864 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:37,800 with the people there and ask questions 865 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:41,530 so it's it's a very helpful community of 866 00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,330 people waiting to help you from all over 867 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:45,520 the world you know of different ideas of 868 00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:47,410 how to do it but they're all helpful and 869 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:49,510 interesting and actually it's a good way 870 00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:51,010 as well if even if you can do it every 871 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:51,660 few years 872 00:35:55,609 --> 00:35:53,970 don't get kind of stagnant you can keep 873 00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:55,619 changing and getting new ideas about how 874 00:35:59,900 --> 00:35:57,839 to do things absolutely right of course 875 00:36:02,000 --> 00:35:59,910 I guess we're a little bit lucky I'm 876 00:36:04,460 --> 00:36:02,010 serve a bit spoiled because it's in the 877 00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:04,470 lead-up to QED here in Manchester so got 878 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:07,470 a nice selection people here who may not 879 00:36:12,260 --> 00:36:09,690 be normally here of course from from 880 00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:12,270 different parts so there is the message 881 00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:14,460 folks is a skeptics in the pub is a 882 00:36:19,930 --> 00:36:17,700 wonderful thing and I've thoroughly 883 00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,940 enjoyed my night here in the Manchester 884 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:22,079 14 people listening in the Manchester 885 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:25,410 area and I think I'd like to come to 886 00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:27,210 skeptics in the pub how can they find 887 00:36:35,650 --> 00:36:29,460 out more and the the best place to go is 888 00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:41,359 www.facebook.com course GM skeptics not 889 00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:44,160 to be confused with GM food let's get 890 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:46,380 addicted sometimes we didn't get a 891 00:36:51,650 --> 00:36:49,410 computer really yeah because GM greater 892 00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:51,660 manchester right yeah yes I so that's 893 00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:52,980 how it comes from it's just a bit 894 00:37:00,620 --> 00:36:58,140 unfortunate well it's been wonderful to 895 00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:00,630 to come here and meet you and be part of 896 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:03,900 this wonderful event I've actually made 897 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:06,450 a few heckling comments and and ask some 898 00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:08,730 questions myself and of course everyone 899 00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:11,400 is looking forward to QED so thank you 900 00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:13,140 once again oh thanks it's been real 901 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:14,700 pleasure having here tonight and yeah I 902 00:37:29,310 --> 00:37:16,410 think the room is buzzing with talk of 903 00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:31,750 congratulations brian dunning on over 904 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:34,220 eight hundred and ninety seven thousand 905 00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:39,050 shows of skipped I'd everybody's 906 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:41,030 favorite show does shake their fist at 907 00:37:45,820 --> 00:37:43,850 and go you bastard Dunning greetings 908 00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:45,830 from may not hear from Maynard's malaise 909 00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,280 the skeptic zone and ABC australia we 910 00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:51,440 wish we were as quarter as good as you 911 00:37:56,890 --> 00:37:54,110 and we wish we had that roger ramjet jaw 912 00:38:00,100 --> 00:37:56,900 of yours god we're jealous hooray it's 913 00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,110 kept towards birthday i'm not brian 914 00:38:06,250 --> 00:38:02,960 dunning from skip toy con and frankly I 915 00:38:08,830 --> 00:38:06,260 couldn't be happier give generously skep 916 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:08,840 tide is made from the tears and the 917 00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:12,290 sweat and and sweatshop people that he 918 00:38:16,810 --> 00:38:14,180 he's got these people over in Jamaica 919 00:38:18,670 --> 00:38:16,820 skip to it is made possible by Brian 920 00:38:21,010 --> 00:38:18,680 Dunning exploiting most of the people in 921 00:38:23,470 --> 00:38:21,020 his life please give generously so he 922 00:38:26,140 --> 00:38:23,480 can enjoy a living standard much higher 923 00:38:29,170 --> 00:38:26,150 than yours I mean really listen to the 924 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:29,180 crap on the radio okay listen to skip 925 00:38:35,110 --> 00:38:32,330 tide crap on the radio cost you nothing 926 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:35,120 skip toid cost you very little to keep 927 00:38:39,250 --> 00:38:37,010 Brian doing that so what do you want 928 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:39,260 more crap on the radio or more brian 929 00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:41,810 dunning i say more brian dunning too 930 00:38:47,620 --> 00:38:44,470 much brian dunning is never enough I 931 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:47,630 want my brian dunning now and with ice 932 00:39:02,950 --> 00:38:50,690 in a tall glass that's not opinion 933 00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:05,059 well thank you for listening to the 934 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:07,020 skeptics and I'm still here at QED 935 00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:10,170 question explore discover are here in 936 00:39:14,410 --> 00:39:12,660 Manchester and Finn is still with me and 937 00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:14,420 Steve's too and they're laughing at me 938 00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:17,790 no honest no okay yeah we are left we're 939 00:39:21,620 --> 00:39:19,380 not laughing at you were laughing with 940 00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,630 you no I'm not being at you I'm glad to 941 00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:23,040 hear that and thank you for listening 942 00:39:27,740 --> 00:39:25,950 again over the coming weeks lots of 943 00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:27,750 interviews from the guests and 944 00:39:33,799 --> 00:39:30,839 participants here at QED in Manchester 945 00:39:36,740 --> 00:39:33,809 but for now for this week it's Richard 946 00:39:45,260 --> 00:39:36,750 Saunders signing off and cheers Cheers 947 00:39:51,319 --> 00:39:45,270 flan sir yes from Manchester England the 948 00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:51,329 Irish for codorus word for health you've 949 00:39:59,299 --> 00:39:54,720 been listening to the skeptic zone visit 950 00:40:01,790 --> 00:39:59,309 our website at www skeptic zone TV for